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The All Turtles Podcast


Our AI future is happening right now. Robot overlords? Sci-fi utopias? Not quite. Forget the Hollywood myths and media hysteria about artificial intelligence. Small teams of people across the globe are using AI to solve important, everyday problems. Join hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega as they explore this exciting frontier and discuss the people, ideas, and products changing the world through practical applications of AI.

Sep 6, 2018

There’s been a big change in the way businesses are built: they no longer need to have sky-high valuations and thousands of employees before they can make an impact. “Scale” as we know it has run its course, leaving a wide-open pasture where startups can focus on building products that matter instead of getting big fast. What lessons should entrepreneurs take from this shift? And how does it influence how success should be measured today? Join Phil Libin, Hemant Taneja, and Ronda Scott to find out.

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

Scale has run its course (1:06)

Markers of scale breaking (1:50)

The problems of getting big (3:00)

Companies that made an impact before they got big (3:22)

How to have a broader impact (5:15)

The importance of renting (6:27)

Proctor and Gamble’s model (7:05)

The differences between consumer-facing goods and innovations in healthcare (8:50)

Where fintech fits in (9:55)

Digital goods like movies on Netflix (12:10)

How tailored products can be even when they come from small companies (12:58)

Is it bad news for the economy that companies don’t need to hire thousands of employees to make a big impact? (13:50)

The All Turtles model and hyper-focused product teams (14:44)

Employment during the restructuring of the economy (15:58)

Why businesses don’t have to build everything themselves (16:26)

We’ve moved from vertical integration to API integration (17:25)

Anyone can be an entrepreneur (18:10)

How should success be measured? (18:48)

Customer empathy (18:58)

No longer needed to get big before making an impact (20:24)

Feedback loop (20:30)

The best way to get bigger in scale (21:00)

Getting to truth first (22:30)

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